Oldbear83 said:

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I do not answer to people who make false accusations.

You need to search your heart, and confess your sins to your priest.

I believe Roman Catholics are Christians just as we Baptists, and so I am sure your parish priest will set you right, if you are honest with him and turn back from your sin.

As for me, I seek God's word daily and take strength and confidence in Scripture, by which the Holy Spirit speaks to us all.

Do not depend on man, but on the word of God which does not fail.

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Fre3dombear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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I do not answer to people who make false accusations.

You need to search your heart, and confess your sins to your priest.

I believe Roman Catholics are Christians just as we Baptists, and so I am sure your parish priest will set you right, if you are honest with him and turn back from your sin.

As for me, I seek God's word daily and take strength and confidence in Scripture, by which the Holy Spirit speaks to us all.

Do not depend on man, but on the word of God which does not fail.

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As always you do you. Keep on judging and not discussing defense of your belief and attack those that speak the truth to you with judgements and false accusations. A skill you seem to Possess.

Winning strategy.

Just like my explicit posts and requests for responses from the protestant Christians here which went completely unresponded to - not surprised.

So far the defense of your position that arrived a couple hundred years ago is "thats absurd"

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Oldbear83 said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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I do not answer to people who make false accusations.

You need to search your heart, and confess your sins to your priest.

I believe Roman Catholics are Christians just as we Baptists, and so I am sure your parish priest will set you right, if you are honest with him and turn back from your sin.

As for me, I seek God's word daily and take strength and confidence in Scripture, by which the Holy Spirit speaks to us all.

Do not depend on man, but on the word of God which does not fail.

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As always you do you. Keep on judging and not discussing defense of your belief and attack those that speak the truth to you with judgements and false accusations. A skill you seem to Possess.

Winning strategy.

Just like my explicit posts and requests for responses from the protestant Christians here which went completely unresponded to - not surprised.

So far the defense of your position that arrived a couple hundred years ago is "thats absurd"

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More lies from you. More hypocrisy as well, and of course the requisite malice some RC's feel compelled to include when talking to brother Christians who put God over the Pope.

Disappointing, but it appears on this issue your anger overrides everything else.

Good night, sir.

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Sam Lowry said:

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ShooterTX said:

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So without consummation it was not actually considered a marriage.

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Now you're getting it.

The Protoevangelium of James isn't a false gospel. It's a fictionalized re-telling, similar to Jewish midrashim, emphasizing certain theological truths. It's also, at least incidentally, a record of historical custom and practice.

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Fre3dombear said:

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ShooterTX said:

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This is such a ridiculous idea.

In the Jewish tradition, it was seen by many as sinful to refuse to consummate a marriage. In fact, the Jewish tradition was that marriage was a 2 state event... the legal betrothed and then consumation completed it. So without consummation it was not actually considered a marriage.

If Mary & Joseph ate to have so drastically departed from Jewish traditions, you actually think that the Holy Spirit would have never addressed this topic in the scriptures?
That is a foolish idea. Whenever Christ did anything that violated the human Jewish traditions, it is described & explained in detail in the scriptures.
And yet this would have been seen as a violation of the original garden of eden command from God Himself to be fruitful & multiple... and yet the RCC says that the Holy Spirit forgot to mention it in the scriptures. Pathetic.

It's really sad that the RCC continues to promote this nonsense when it all originated from the protoevangelium of James, which was proven to be a false gospel full of false facts and false doctrines. Even some of the early Popes admitted that the book was a lie, but they wouldn't give up the Marian dogmas which originated from the false book and are in direct opposition to the known scriptures.

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A misinformed perspective. Where do y'all get this stuff?

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ShooterTX said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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ShooterTX said:

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This is such a ridiculous idea.

In the Jewish tradition, it was seen by many as sinful to refuse to consummate a marriage. In fact, the Jewish tradition was that marriage was a 2 state event... the legal betrothed and then consumation completed it. So without consummation it was not actually considered a marriage.

If Mary & Joseph ate to have so drastically departed from Jewish traditions, you actually think that the Holy Spirit would have never addressed this topic in the scriptures?
That is a foolish idea. Whenever Christ did anything that violated the human Jewish traditions, it is described & explained in detail in the scriptures.
And yet this would have been seen as a violation of the original garden of eden command from God Himself to be fruitful & multiple... and yet the RCC says that the Holy Spirit forgot to mention it in the scriptures. Pathetic.

It's really sad that the RCC continues to promote this nonsense when it all originated from the protoevangelium of James, which was proven to be a false gospel full of false facts and false doctrines. Even some of the early Popes admitted that the book was a lie, but they wouldn't give up the Marian dogmas which originated from the false book and are in direct opposition to the known scriptures.

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A misinformed perspective. Where do y'all get this stuff?

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It's very simple.
Rather than blindly accepting what the Vatican claims, you simply go read the original texts. Then you discover that no one wrote about these false Marian dogmas until after the Apostolic age. The first wrtings are found in this false Infancy Gospel of James which contains all kinds of nonsense. The book was proven to be false way back in the 300s and even confirm to be false by the pope in the 400s... yet the Marian dogmas continue even though there is no biblical doctrine to support them.

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ShooterTX said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ShooterTX said:

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So without consummation it was not actually considered a marriage.

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Now you're getting it.

The Protoevangelium of James isn't a false gospel. It's a fictionalized re-telling, similar to Jewish midrashim, emphasizing certain theological truths. It's also, at least incidentally, a record of historical custom and practice.

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It is a false book.
The author claims to be James, but it was proven to have been written decades after James died.
It also contains many historical errors, meaning that it could not have been inspired by the Holy Spirit.
It was rejected because it was a false book containing false facts and false doctrines.

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Oldbear83 said:

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Zero personal attacks from me. Nothing but lies and malice from you.

Mary was a faithful servant of God, but she was not an everlasting virgin, she did have other children with Joseph per Scripture, and your contempt for fellow believers simply for standing by Scripture does you no credit.

And for the umpteenth time, the founder of my faith is Jesus Christ.

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Oldbear83 said:

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Funny how you post words you should be reading and heeding yourself.

I simply pointed out what Scripture said, and you went off on an RC jihad.

Lying about me now won't change what everyone can read in the thread.

You really should confess your sins to your priest.

Only question is, will you?

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Fre3dombear said:

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ShooterTX said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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ShooterTX said:

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This is such a ridiculous idea.

In the Jewish tradition, it was seen by many as sinful to refuse to consummate a marriage. In fact, the Jewish tradition was that marriage was a 2 state event... the legal betrothed and then consumation completed it. So without consummation it was not actually considered a marriage.

If Mary & Joseph ate to have so drastically departed from Jewish traditions, you actually think that the Holy Spirit would have never addressed this topic in the scriptures?
That is a foolish idea. Whenever Christ did anything that violated the human Jewish traditions, it is described & explained in detail in the scriptures.
And yet this would have been seen as a violation of the original garden of eden command from God Himself to be fruitful & multiple... and yet the RCC says that the Holy Spirit forgot to mention it in the scriptures. Pathetic.

It's really sad that the RCC continues to promote this nonsense when it all originated from the protoevangelium of James, which was proven to be a false gospel full of false facts and false doctrines. Even some of the early Popes admitted that the book was a lie, but they wouldn't give up the Marian dogmas which originated from the false book and are in direct opposition to the known scriptures.

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A misinformed perspective. Where do y'all get this stuff?

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It's very simple.
Rather than blindly accepting what the Vatican claims, you simply go read the original texts. Then you discover that no one wrote about these false Marian dogmas until after the Apostolic age. The first wrtings are found in this false Infancy Gospel of James which contains all kinds of nonsense. The book was proven to be false way back in the 300s and even confirm to be false by the pope in the 400s... yet the Marian dogmas continue even though there is no biblical doctrine to support them.

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The more you write the more misinformed you are

Read your Bible in English and conclude as you will. May it all work out. Prayers for all.

If you don't want to be stubborn and pontificate "just read the English man!" I'm happy to discuss further

Blaming it on your hatred of the Vatican shows you are not well read on the subject.

Makes it a rather low brow discussion.

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ShooterTX said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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ShooterTX said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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ShooterTX said:

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This is such a ridiculous idea.

In the Jewish tradition, it was seen by many as sinful to refuse to consummate a marriage. In fact, the Jewish tradition was that marriage was a 2 state event... the legal betrothed and then consumation completed it. So without consummation it was not actually considered a marriage.

If Mary & Joseph ate to have so drastically departed from Jewish traditions, you actually think that the Holy Spirit would have never addressed this topic in the scriptures?
That is a foolish idea. Whenever Christ did anything that violated the human Jewish traditions, it is described & explained in detail in the scriptures.
And yet this would have been seen as a violation of the original garden of eden command from God Himself to be fruitful & multiple... and yet the RCC says that the Holy Spirit forgot to mention it in the scriptures. Pathetic.

It's really sad that the RCC continues to promote this nonsense when it all originated from the protoevangelium of James, which was proven to be a false gospel full of false facts and false doctrines. Even some of the early Popes admitted that the book was a lie, but they wouldn't give up the Marian dogmas which originated from the false book and are in direct opposition to the known scriptures.

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A misinformed perspective. Where do y'all get this stuff?

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It's very simple.
Rather than blindly accepting what the Vatican claims, you simply go read the original texts. Then you discover that no one wrote about these false Marian dogmas until after the Apostolic age. The first wrtings are found in this false Infancy Gospel of James which contains all kinds of nonsense. The book was proven to be false way back in the 300s and even confirm to be false by the pope in the 400s... yet the Marian dogmas continue even though there is no biblical doctrine to support them.

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The more you write the more misinformed you are

Read your Bible in English and conclude as you will. May it all work out. Prayers for all.

If you don't want to be stubborn and pontificate "just read the English man!" I'm happy to discuss further

Blaming it on your hatred of the Vatican shows you are not well read on the subject.

Makes it a rather low brow discussion.

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I have never blamed anything on hatred of the Vatican. You are making up lies from your own mind... a true RCC tradition.

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Fre3dombear said:

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ShooterTX said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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ShooterTX said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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ShooterTX said:

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This is such a ridiculous idea.

In the Jewish tradition, it was seen by many as sinful to refuse to consummate a marriage. In fact, the Jewish tradition was that marriage was a 2 state event... the legal betrothed and then consumation completed it. So without consummation it was not actually considered a marriage.

If Mary & Joseph ate to have so drastically departed from Jewish traditions, you actually think that the Holy Spirit would have never addressed this topic in the scriptures?
That is a foolish idea. Whenever Christ did anything that violated the human Jewish traditions, it is described & explained in detail in the scriptures.
And yet this would have been seen as a violation of the original garden of eden command from God Himself to be fruitful & multiple... and yet the RCC says that the Holy Spirit forgot to mention it in the scriptures. Pathetic.

It's really sad that the RCC continues to promote this nonsense when it all originated from the protoevangelium of James, which was proven to be a false gospel full of false facts and false doctrines. Even some of the early Popes admitted that the book was a lie, but they wouldn't give up the Marian dogmas which originated from the false book and are in direct opposition to the known scriptures.

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A misinformed perspective. Where do y'all get this stuff?

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It's very simple.
Rather than blindly accepting what the Vatican claims, you simply go read the original texts. Then you discover that no one wrote about these false Marian dogmas until after the Apostolic age. The first wrtings are found in this false Infancy Gospel of James which contains all kinds of nonsense. The book was proven to be false way back in the 300s and even confirm to be false by the pope in the 400s... yet the Marian dogmas continue even though there is no biblical doctrine to support them.

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The more you write the more misinformed you are

Read your Bible in English and conclude as you will. May it all work out. Prayers for all.

If you don't want to be stubborn and pontificate "just read the English man!" I'm happy to discuss further

Blaming it on your hatred of the Vatican shows you are not well read on the subject.

Makes it a rather low brow discussion.

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I have never blamed anything on hatred of the Vatican. You are making up lies from your own mind... a true RCC tradition.

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"…rather than blindly accepting what the Vatican claims…"

Seems people dont understand what lie means around here. Literally just quoting what yall say

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ShooterTX said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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ShooterTX said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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ShooterTX said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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ShooterTX said:

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This is such a ridiculous idea.

In the Jewish tradition, it was seen by many as sinful to refuse to consummate a marriage. In fact, the Jewish tradition was that marriage was a 2 state event... the legal betrothed and then consumation completed it. So without consummation it was not actually considered a marriage.

If Mary & Joseph ate to have so drastically departed from Jewish traditions, you actually think that the Holy Spirit would have never addressed this topic in the scriptures?
That is a foolish idea. Whenever Christ did anything that violated the human Jewish traditions, it is described & explained in detail in the scriptures.
And yet this would have been seen as a violation of the original garden of eden command from God Himself to be fruitful & multiple... and yet the RCC says that the Holy Spirit forgot to mention it in the scriptures. Pathetic.

It's really sad that the RCC continues to promote this nonsense when it all originated from the protoevangelium of James, which was proven to be a false gospel full of false facts and false doctrines. Even some of the early Popes admitted that the book was a lie, but they wouldn't give up the Marian dogmas which originated from the false book and are in direct opposition to the known scriptures.

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A misinformed perspective. Where do y'all get this stuff?

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It's very simple.
Rather than blindly accepting what the Vatican claims, you simply go read the original texts. Then you discover that no one wrote about these false Marian dogmas until after the Apostolic age. The first wrtings are found in this false Infancy Gospel of James which contains all kinds of nonsense. The book was proven to be false way back in the 300s and even confirm to be false by the pope in the 400s... yet the Marian dogmas continue even though there is no biblical doctrine to support them.

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The more you write the more misinformed you are

Read your Bible in English and conclude as you will. May it all work out. Prayers for all.

If you don't want to be stubborn and pontificate "just read the English man!" I'm happy to discuss further

Blaming it on your hatred of the Vatican shows you are not well read on the subject.

Makes it a rather low brow discussion.

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I have never blamed anything on hatred of the Vatican. You are making up lies from your own mind... a true RCC tradition.

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"…rather than blindly accepting what the Vatican claims…"

Seems people dont understand what lie means around here. Literally just quoting what yall say

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They even went so far as to torture and murder Christians who disagreed with them.

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Sam Lowry said:

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ShooterTX said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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ShooterTX said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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ShooterTX said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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ShooterTX said:

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This is such a ridiculous idea.

In the Jewish tradition, it was seen by many as sinful to refuse to consummate a marriage. In fact, the Jewish tradition was that marriage was a 2 state event... the legal betrothed and then consumation completed it. So without consummation it was not actually considered a marriage.

If Mary & Joseph ate to have so drastically departed from Jewish traditions, you actually think that the Holy Spirit would have never addressed this topic in the scriptures?
That is a foolish idea. Whenever Christ did anything that violated the human Jewish traditions, it is described & explained in detail in the scriptures.
And yet this would have been seen as a violation of the original garden of eden command from God Himself to be fruitful & multiple... and yet the RCC says that the Holy Spirit forgot to mention it in the scriptures. Pathetic.

It's really sad that the RCC continues to promote this nonsense when it all originated from the protoevangelium of James, which was proven to be a false gospel full of false facts and false doctrines. Even some of the early Popes admitted that the book was a lie, but they wouldn't give up the Marian dogmas which originated from the false book and are in direct opposition to the known scriptures.

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A misinformed perspective. Where do y'all get this stuff?

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It's very simple.
Rather than blindly accepting what the Vatican claims, you simply go read the original texts. Then you discover that no one wrote about these false Marian dogmas until after the Apostolic age. The first wrtings are found in this false Infancy Gospel of James which contains all kinds of nonsense. The book was proven to be false way back in the 300s and even confirm to be false by the pope in the 400s... yet the Marian dogmas continue even though there is no biblical doctrine to support them.

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The more you write the more misinformed you are

Read your Bible in English and conclude as you will. May it all work out. Prayers for all.

If you don't want to be stubborn and pontificate "just read the English man!" I'm happy to discuss further

Blaming it on your hatred of the Vatican shows you are not well read on the subject.

Makes it a rather low brow discussion.

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I have never blamed anything on hatred of the Vatican. You are making up lies from your own mind... a true RCC tradition.

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"…rather than blindly accepting what the Vatican claims…"

Seems people dont understand what lie means around here. Literally just quoting what yall say

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They even went so far as to torture and murder Christians who disagreed with them.

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No more and probably less so than Protestants did. The Reformation was as much a civil and political rebellion as a religious one, being spread to a great extent by violence and theft rather than persuasion.

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FLBear5630 said:

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Historically, all major religions have a horrible record at some point.

What I don't get is how that changes today and doing what's right? We do it politically as well, Biden did this, Trump did that, Cheney invaded, Johnson intensified, Nixon, etc...

Those things don't give a pass for today, liberal, conservative, Christian, Moslem, Jew.

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