The ICC has had a serious bias problem for a long time, you know.

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I wonder if the MOU will be able to last more than a couple of weeks. I don't see how Iran will live up to it.

They will do something stupid aggressive in Lebanon or towards a neighbor. Something beyond being a toll troll under the Strait of Hormuz.

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I'll take the under. It won't be. Cause of Iran. Israel has said they've not agreed to this. That makes the MOU DOA.

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Do you think Israel should ignore any Hezbollah attacks? Has Hezbollah agreed to the MOU with Iran?

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Israel can do whatever it wants to do, so long as it does it with no American foreign aid, no American military aid, no American intelligence, and no American military action.

It's a zero dollars, zero ammo, zero soldiers policy.

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Why wouldn't we sell them weapons?

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For the same reason we wouldn't sell ISIS weapons. As we're seeing in Gaza, there is very little difference in the practical aspect of Jewhad and Jihad.

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Your level of knowledge and analysis is stunningly bad.

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The only thing wrong with it is that we actually did supply weapons to ISIS. But it was a bad idea, so his point is still valid.

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I hear a lot of chatter, mostly from my Marxist friends, about "genocide" in Gaza perpetrated by Israel. This is the same family of argument that you are supporting here. That is a stunningly bad reflection of basic awareness of history and current events.

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Not sure why you'd focus on Marxist chatter when you could look at the thoroughly documented reports from Israeli human rights organizations and the UN, among others. I've yet to see any serious argument against their conclusions.

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These are literal Marxist friends. This is why I mention them. War sucks and people die in them. One need not read a report to know this. In Rwanda thee were about 500,000 to 1,000,000 killed in about 100 days. In Gaza, about 75,000 have reportedly died in about 1,000 days. That's 10 times fewer killed over 10 times longer time period. The IDF was carrying out urban warfare in an attempt to root out those who carried out the attacks on October 7. I view that as a justifiable, though tragic, response to those attacks. We would probably have done much more. My Marxist friends view everything through the lens of oppressor/oppressed, and they have apparently decided that there is nothing Hamas can do to be handed responsibility for anything because Israel is seen as the colonizer/oppressor and Hamas is the oppressed. If the IDF wanted to kill as many civilians as possible, there would be a much higher number of dead. The talk of genocide is bogus.

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No doubt 75K is an underestimate, but genocide isn't defined by comparison with Rwanda. Nor does oppression cease to be oppression because Marxists talk about it. Certainly nothing about the IDF's tactics was consistent with "rooting out" terrorists. They simply leveled everything in their path.

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So what would you have done in an urban area full of reinforced tunnels harboring the enemy and their weapons, General Lowry? And answering with, "Well I certainly would not…" is not an adequate response. How would you have actually handled rooting out Hamas that would not involve destroying most of the buildings in Gaza?

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The only way to do that is to actually go into the tunnels and fight, which the IDF is categorically unwilling to do.

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Another way is to destroy the tunnels and the structures concealing them. And that's secondary to them storing things like cruise missiles and mobile launchers in their homes and other facilities.

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That hasn't worked, especially not in a way that kept most of the buildings from being destroyed.

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You assume the people in the buildings don't know what's going on in, around, and under them, The biggest owner and tenant in Southern Lebanon is Hezbollah.

Many of our resident Leftists wallow in Leftist lies, even if it originates from terrorist groups such as Hamas and Hezbollah. We've seen that repeatedly from fascist propagandists (aka MSM) ever since October 7, 2023. Actually, it's been going on for decades.

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Can we just quit giving Americans’ hard earned money to this blood thirsty war criminal? Peace in the Middle East would follow quickly. https://t.co/nAreZrYx8b

— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) June 19, 2026

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Or walk away and just let them do their thing and stay out of it. We could have left Iran decimated two+ months ago with no other action or negotiation required and let them sort it out. Crazy idea I know, but we're being extorted for a bad deal that has us no closer on anything we had prior to taking action, and now are indelibly intertwined with the Hezbollah/Israel situation.

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If Trump said we are washing our hands of Israel and they are on their own, they'd be completely screwed...

The idea we are holding Israel back from single handedly crushing the entire middle east is laughably stupid.

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While we get angry about the brutality of the idea of flattening Southern Lebanon, if missiles were coming out of Juarez or Tijuana and hitting El Paso or San Diego, what do you think we'd do to those populated areas?

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It would largely depend on whether we were precisely targeting a terrorist threat or depopulating the areas in advance of long-term occupation.

Why do you ask?

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Why does precisely matter? If you must hold ground against an enemy to stop their attacks, you have to occupy.

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Assuming you must, you can take ground without flattening populated areas. Israel is barely even pretending to do so. They're openly comparing it to Gaza in the sense that no holds are barred (which is a cute admission about Gaza after the fact).

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Not when the enemy uses homes, basements, farm storage units, buildings, and tunnel systems linking the aforementioned to hide and move combatants and munitions for their attacks. They also use it to exploit political and legal law fare because of the human cost created by their tactics. They are very effective at that as your continued "genocide" speak displays.

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That's what DC referred to as "urban warfare." You'll notice there's not much of it going on. It's relatively rare to see the IDF shooting at anything that's shooting back. Painful to see them in action, too. No muzzle awareness, no assigned fields of view, just disorganized grab-assery. There's no telling what could be done with a professional army.

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Israel is recognized as one of the most effective asymmetrical warfare and counter-insurgency militaries in the world. Probably better than us.

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Many of our resident Leftists wallow in Leftist lies, even if it originates from terrorist groups such as Hamas and Hezbollah. We've seen that repeatedly from fascist propagandists (aka MSM) ever since October 7, 2023. Actually, it's been going on for decades.

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ah, good to see things as they should be with the teacher man using Fascist (incorrectly) in every post. Ironic from a supporter of a totalitarian trump admin. them boys be fascist, teacher.

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Can we just quit giving Americans’ hard earned money to this blood thirsty war criminal? Peace in the Middle East would follow quickly. https://t.co/nAreZrYx8b

— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) June 19, 2026

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Or walk away and just let them do their thing and stay out of it. We could have left Iran decimated two+ months ago with no other action or negotiation required and let them sort it out. Crazy idea I know, but we're being extorted for a bad deal that has us no closer on anything we had prior to taking action, and now are indelibly intertwined with the Hezbollah/Israel situation.

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If Trump said we are washing our hands of Israel and they are on their own, they'd be completely screwed...

The idea we are holding Israel back from single handedly crushing the entire middle east is laughably stupid.

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While we get angry about the brutality of the idea of flattening Southern Lebanon, if missiles were coming out of Juarez or Tijuana and hitting El Paso or San Diego, what do you think we'd do to those populated areas?

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It would largely depend on whether we were precisely targeting a terrorist threat or depopulating the areas in advance of long-term occupation.

Why do you ask?

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Why does precisely matter? If you must hold ground against an enemy to stop their attacks, you have to occupy.

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Assuming you must, you can take ground without flattening populated areas. Israel is barely even pretending to do so. They're openly comparing it to Gaza in the sense that no holds are barred (which is a cute admission about Gaza after the fact).

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Not when the enemy uses homes, basements, farm storage units, buildings, and tunnel systems linking the aforementioned to hide and move combatants and munitions for their attacks. They also use it to exploit political and legal law fare because of the human cost created by their tactics. They are very effective at that as your continued "genocide" speak displays.

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That's what DC referred to as "urban warfare." You'll notice there's not much of it going on. It's relatively rare to see the IDF shooting at anything that's shooting back. Painful to see them in action, too. No muzzle awareness, no assigned fields of view, just disorganized grab-assery. There's no telling what could be done with a professional army.

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Israel is recognized as one of the most effective asymmetrical warfare and counter-insurgency militaries in the world. Probably better than us.

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Can we just quit giving Americans’ hard earned money to this blood thirsty war criminal? Peace in the Middle East would follow quickly. https://t.co/nAreZrYx8b

— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) June 19, 2026

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Or walk away and just let them do their thing and stay out of it. We could have left Iran decimated two+ months ago with no other action or negotiation required and let them sort it out. Crazy idea I know, but we're being extorted for a bad deal that has us no closer on anything we had prior to taking action, and now are indelibly intertwined with the Hezbollah/Israel situation.

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If Trump said we are washing our hands of Israel and they are on their own, they'd be completely screwed...

The idea we are holding Israel back from single handedly crushing the entire middle east is laughably stupid.

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While we get angry about the brutality of the idea of flattening Southern Lebanon, if missiles were coming out of Juarez or Tijuana and hitting El Paso or San Diego, what do you think we'd do to those populated areas?

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It would largely depend on whether we were precisely targeting a terrorist threat or depopulating the areas in advance of long-term occupation.

Why do you ask?

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Why does precisely matter? If you must hold ground against an enemy to stop their attacks, you have to occupy.

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Assuming you must, you can take ground without flattening populated areas. Israel is barely even pretending to do so. They're openly comparing it to Gaza in the sense that no holds are barred (which is a cute admission about Gaza after the fact).

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Not when the enemy uses homes, basements, farm storage units, buildings, and tunnel systems linking the aforementioned to hide and move combatants and munitions for their attacks. They also use it to exploit political and legal law fare because of the human cost created by their tactics. They are very effective at that as your continued "genocide" speak displays.

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That's what DC referred to as "urban warfare." You'll notice there's not much of it going on. It's relatively rare to see the IDF shooting at anything that's shooting back. Painful to see them in action, too. No muzzle awareness, no assigned fields of view, just disorganized grab-assery. There's no telling what could be done with a professional army.

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Israel is recognized as one of the most effective asymmetrical warfare and counter-insurgency militaries in the world. Probably better than us.

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They're a clown show. Can't control an area the size of Detroit after almost three years. They blow up civilians because it's pretty much all they're good at.

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Can we just quit giving Americans’ hard earned money to this blood thirsty war criminal? Peace in the Middle East would follow quickly. https://t.co/nAreZrYx8b

— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) June 19, 2026

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Or walk away and just let them do their thing and stay out of it. We could have left Iran decimated two+ months ago with no other action or negotiation required and let them sort it out. Crazy idea I know, but we're being extorted for a bad deal that has us no closer on anything we had prior to taking action, and now are indelibly intertwined with the Hezbollah/Israel situation.

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If Trump said we are washing our hands of Israel and they are on their own, they'd be completely screwed...

The idea we are holding Israel back from single handedly crushing the entire middle east is laughably stupid.

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While we get angry about the brutality of the idea of flattening Southern Lebanon, if missiles were coming out of Juarez or Tijuana and hitting El Paso or San Diego, what do you think we'd do to those populated areas?

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It would largely depend on whether we were precisely targeting a terrorist threat or depopulating the areas in advance of long-term occupation.

Why do you ask?

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Why does precisely matter? If you must hold ground against an enemy to stop their attacks, you have to occupy.

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Assuming you must, you can take ground without flattening populated areas. Israel is barely even pretending to do so. They're openly comparing it to Gaza in the sense that no holds are barred (which is a cute admission about Gaza after the fact).

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Not when the enemy uses homes, basements, farm storage units, buildings, and tunnel systems linking the aforementioned to hide and move combatants and munitions for their attacks. They also use it to exploit political and legal law fare because of the human cost created by their tactics. They are very effective at that as your continued "genocide" speak displays.

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That's what DC referred to as "urban warfare." You'll notice there's not much of it going on. It's relatively rare to see the IDF shooting at anything that's shooting back. Painful to see them in action, too. No muzzle awareness, no assigned fields of view, just disorganized grab-assery. There's no telling what could be done with a professional army.

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Israel is recognized as one of the most effective asymmetrical warfare and counter-insurgency militaries in the world. Probably better than us.

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They're a clown show. Can't control an area the size of Detroit after three years. They blow up civilians because it's pretty much all they're good at.

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The Israelis civilian death rate is so bad Trump says the ISIS guy from Syria would do a better job!

Trey Yingst: "The president told me he is disappointed Israel can't put Hezbollah away. He went on to say they can't do anything without knocking buildings down, and that he is close to giving it to Syria."

"The president believes that [al-Sharaa] would do a more precise job." pic.twitter.com/79ufTTpiqj

— Chris Menahan 🇺🇸 (@infolibnews) June 21, 2026

It's not my fault you do not understand fascism. I've explained it repeatedly and you refuse to learn. That's a recipe for ignorance and bitterness.

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