President Trump announces military strikes on Iran: Operation Epic Fury

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D. C. Bear said:

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Israel is recognized as one of the most effective asymmetrical warfare and counter-insurgency militaries in the world. Probably better than us.


Heck no. This is our guys cleaning out Fallujah, house to house.

https://media.gettyimages.com/id/51770300/photo/u-s-marines-sweep-fallujah-for-insurgents.webp?s=612x612&w=gi&k=20&c=qxj1qb73lcGJny1zALQioahdSSnRFlXr8eXMzuyAgCA=

The IDF and its genocidal tactics can go to hell.


Your knowledge of the operational environment in Gaza is limited, probably by your social media algorithm. The wide physical destruction of buildings in Gaza is a tactical response to Hamas tactics of large scale wiring buildings with explosives. Those tactics at that scale were not really in play in Fallujah. If our forces faced the same conditions, I would expect we would have a similar tactical response.

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The Commission reviewed photos and videos showing the widespread destruction of residential complexes and entire neighbourhoods in the Gaza Strip, including agricultural lands, public facilities, religious and cultural sites, schools, universities and hospitals. Many of these locations were damaged or destroyed by airstrikes as well as tank and artillery shells. Some were destroyed by bulldozers or controlled demolitions, rendering these areas uninhabitable. A resident of Gaza City told the Commission that the Israeli security forces looted everything from his house, destroyed his cars and then burned the house. Notably, Israeli soldiers have admitted to burning homes in social media posts.

The Commission notes that the Israeli security forces' unprecedented bombing campaign has left the northern part of the Gaza Strip and Khan Younis in the south virtually uninhabitable. Between October 2023 and April 2025, nearly seventy percent of total structural damage in the Gaza Strip occurred in the governorates of Gaza, Khan Younis and North Gaza. In April 2025, UNOSAT estimated a total of 258,201 damaged housing units in the Gaza Strip, with Gaza Governorate recording the highest number of destroyed structures, amounting to a total of 46,964, of which 37,169 were in Gaza City alone. According to a May 2025 satellite imagery analysis, UNOSAT identified 70,436 destroyed structures and 18,588 severely damaged structures in Gaza, out a total of 174,486 damaged structures.

Civilian objects that were essential to Palestinians, such as bakeries, were also destroyed. In November 2023, it was reported that all bakeries were inactive in the north of the Gaza Strip, due to the lack of fuel, water and wheat flour, as well as damage sustained to mills and the bakeries themselves during attacks.

Notably, as of 27 May 2025, UNESCO verified damage to 110 cultural and religious sites in Gaza since 7 October 2023: 13 religious sites, 77 buildings of historical and/or artistic interest, three depositories of movable cultural property, nine monuments, one museum and seven archaeological sites. The World Bank assessed in February 2025 that fifty-three percent of heritage sites in Gaza were damaged or destroyed.

The Commission has concluded in a previous report that Israeli attacks in Gaza since October 2023 have effectively destroyed the education system, with significant detrimental long-term repercussions for children and youth in Gaza and for the identity of the Palestinian people as a group. Israeli attacks have caused damage to more than 70 percent of the school buildings in Gaza and created conditions where education for children has been made impossible. Importantly, the Commission also documented several incidents of Israeli security forces burning or demolishing schools, many of which were empty at the time, and considered that such conduct was deliberate.

The Commission has detailed in a previous report its findings on the destruction and denial of medical facilities in Gaza by the Israeli security forces. The Commission has found, inter alia, that attacks on healthcare facilities were an intrinsic element of the Israeli security forces' broader assault on Palestinians in Gaza and the physical and demographic infrastructure of Gaza. The Commission has also found that Israeli security forces have deliberately killed, wounded, arrested, detained, mistreated and tortured medical personnel and targeted medical vehicles. Access to medical care in Gaza has been severely restricted since October 2023.

Importantly, the attacks against hospitals occurred even after the resumption of military operations on 18 March 2025, including the attack against Nasser Medical Complex and European Gaza Hospital on 13 May 2025. Reportedly, on 13 May 2025, at 02:45, Nasser Medical Complex was hit by an Israeli drone strike which targeted the burn unit of the hospital, killing two patients and injuring 12 others, and destroyed the hospital's infrastructure. The WHO further confirmed that the burn unit of the hospital was struck, destroying 18 hospital beds in the surgical department, eight beds in the intensive care unit and 10 inpatient beds. At 18:19 on the same day, the Israeli security forces reportedly targeted the European Gaza Hospital with a series of airstrikes, hitting the internal yards and the hospital's surroundings. OCHA reported that the incident killed at least 19 people, including five women, and injured more than 40, including four journalists. On the next day, the European Gaza Hospital was reportedly targeted again when the Israeli security forces struck a bulldozer that was brought in by the hospital to repair the roads to enable access to the hospital.

Medical experts told the Commission that the destruction of medical infrastructure, lack of supplies and the targeting of healthcare workers have compromised access to basic healthcare and treatment and, as a result, have had direct and indirect effects on health in Gaza. This has especially affected children. Attacks on the paediatric hospitals of Gaza, including Rantisi Hospital and Al-Nasr Hospital in Gaza City, as well as attacks on larger hospitals, have forced children with pre-existing conditions to seek care at smaller facilities that lack specialised paediatric staff and equipment. A doctor in Ahli Hospital stated that the hospital lacked the necessary medications and expertise for treating children with complex medical problems, such as severe asthma or epilepsy.

A medical professional who volunteered at Nasser Medical Complex in Khan Younis stated, "there were probably three men [in the emergency room], and the rest were all children, women, elderly, everybody caught in their sleep, still wrapped in blankets." The Commission viewed a video (authenticated by Al Jazeera's Sanad agency) of a volunteer doctor at a hospital who stated that the hospital had run out of painkillers and the medical professionals had not been able to sedate the patients. According to the doctor, seven girls had had their legs amputated without anaesthesia, and most of the patients had been women and children who had been burnt throughout their bodies, with missing limbs. An obstetrician who was in Gaza in December 2023 and January 2024 told the Commission that the hospitals were overwhelmed, and thousands of displaced Palestinians sought refuge at hospital compounds. According to the obstetrician, the floors of the emergency department were bloody and overcrowded, making it difficult at times to reach patients who were on the floor. The obstetrician added that there were children "with horrific amputations, with burns, with traumatic injuries, on the floor in other people's blood" and there was no pain relief available.

The Awdah Hospital, the main reproductive healthcare provider in northern Gaza, was under siege in December 2023, with some 250 people trapped inside facing severe shortages of food, water and medicine. During the siege, several persons, including medical staff and a pregnant woman, were reportedly killed by snipers.

The Commission has also previously reported on attacks directed against healthcare professionals and medical units in Gaza. According to the Ministry of Health in Gaza, at least 1,581 health workers were killed between 7 October 2023 and 16 July 2025. As of 12 May 2025, 48 of the Palestine Red Crescent Society staff or volunteers had been killed, and many others had been attacked or detained. Medical personnel stated that they believed they had been intentionally targeted. The Commission documented direct attacks on medical convoys operated by the ICRC, the United Nations, the Palestine Red Crescent Society and non-governmental organizations. Access was also reduced owing to closure of areas by the Israeli security forces, delays in coordination of safe routes, checkpoints, searches or destruction of roads.

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The_barBEARian said:

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Or walk away and just let them do their thing and stay out of it. We could have left Iran decimated two+ months ago with no other action or negotiation required and let them sort it out. Crazy idea I know, but we're being extorted for a bad deal that has us no closer on anything we had prior to taking action, and now are indelibly intertwined with the Hezbollah/Israel situation.


If Trump said we are washing our hands of Israel and they are on their own, they'd be completely screwed...

The idea we are holding Israel back from single handedly crushing the entire middle east is laughably stupid.

While we get angry about the brutality of the idea of flattening Southern Lebanon, if missiles were coming out of Juarez or Tijuana and hitting El Paso or San Diego, what do you think we'd do to those populated areas?

It would largely depend on whether we were precisely targeting a terrorist threat or depopulating the areas in advance of long-term occupation.

Why do you ask?

Why does precisely matter? If you must hold ground against an enemy to stop their attacks, you have to occupy.

Assuming you must, you can take ground without flattening populated areas. Israel is barely even pretending to do so. They're openly comparing it to Gaza in the sense that no holds are barred (which is a cute admission about Gaza after the fact).

Not when the enemy uses homes, basements, farm storage units, buildings, and tunnel systems linking the aforementioned to hide and move combatants and munitions for their attacks. They also use it to exploit political and legal law fare because of the human cost created by their tactics. They are very effective at that as your continued "genocide" speak displays.

That's what DC referred to as "urban warfare." You'll notice there's not much of it going on. It's relatively rare to see the IDF shooting at anything that's shooting back. Painful to see them in action, too. No muzzle awareness, no assigned fields of view, just disorganized grab-assery. There's no telling what could be done with a professional army.

Israel is recognized as one of the most effective asymmetrical warfare and counter-insurgency militaries in the world. Probably better than us.

They're a clown show. Can't control an area the size of Detroit after three years. They blow up civilians because it's pretty much all they're good at.


The Israelis civilian death rate is so bad Trump says the ISIS guy from Syria would do a better job!



Sure, unleash this group on Lebanon… You and Sam would just love these guys. They slaughtered 2000 Alawites execution style after someone attacked some checkpoints. There's some brutal asymmetric warfare for you.


This is what you Boomers did to France. France has been under the American Empire since WW2. American Boomers could have prevented this at anytime...




Show me the evidence of U.S. forces in France who killed 2000 French citizens execution style after someone attacked some checkpoints. I'll wait.


How many Serbs did American armed forces kill in the 90ties to the benefit of the invading Jihadis?... that was the last gasp of European nationalism and your weak, pathetic generation allowed it.


Not really "my generation," but answer my question.

Show me the evidence of U.S. forces in France who killed 2000 French citizens execution style after someone attacked some checkpoints. We are allowed to have our own opinions, but you seem to want your own facts.
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D. C. Bear said:

The_barBEARian said:

D. C. Bear said:

The_barBEARian said:

ATL Bear said:

The_barBEARian said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

The_barBEARian said:

ATL Bear said:

boognish_bear said:



Or walk away and just let them do their thing and stay out of it. We could have left Iran decimated two+ months ago with no other action or negotiation required and let them sort it out. Crazy idea I know, but we're being extorted for a bad deal that has us no closer on anything we had prior to taking action, and now are indelibly intertwined with the Hezbollah/Israel situation.


If Trump said we are washing our hands of Israel and they are on their own, they'd be completely screwed...

The idea we are holding Israel back from single handedly crushing the entire middle east is laughably stupid.

While we get angry about the brutality of the idea of flattening Southern Lebanon, if missiles were coming out of Juarez or Tijuana and hitting El Paso or San Diego, what do you think we'd do to those populated areas?

It would largely depend on whether we were precisely targeting a terrorist threat or depopulating the areas in advance of long-term occupation.

Why do you ask?

Why does precisely matter? If you must hold ground against an enemy to stop their attacks, you have to occupy.

Assuming you must, you can take ground without flattening populated areas. Israel is barely even pretending to do so. They're openly comparing it to Gaza in the sense that no holds are barred (which is a cute admission about Gaza after the fact).

Not when the enemy uses homes, basements, farm storage units, buildings, and tunnel systems linking the aforementioned to hide and move combatants and munitions for their attacks. They also use it to exploit political and legal law fare because of the human cost created by their tactics. They are very effective at that as your continued "genocide" speak displays.

That's what DC referred to as "urban warfare." You'll notice there's not much of it going on. It's relatively rare to see the IDF shooting at anything that's shooting back. Painful to see them in action, too. No muzzle awareness, no assigned fields of view, just disorganized grab-assery. There's no telling what could be done with a professional army.

Israel is recognized as one of the most effective asymmetrical warfare and counter-insurgency militaries in the world. Probably better than us.

They're a clown show. Can't control an area the size of Detroit after three years. They blow up civilians because it's pretty much all they're good at.


The Israelis civilian death rate is so bad Trump says the ISIS guy from Syria would do a better job!



Sure, unleash this group on Lebanon… You and Sam would just love these guys. They slaughtered 2000 Alawites execution style after someone attacked some checkpoints. There's some brutal asymmetric warfare for you.


This is what you Boomers did to France. France has been under the American Empire since WW2. American Boomers could have prevented this at anytime...




Show me the evidence of U.S. forces in France who killed 2000 French citizens execution style after someone attacked some checkpoints. I'll wait.


How many Serbs did American armed forces kill in the 90ties to the benefit of the invading Jihadis?... that was the last gasp of European nationalism and your weak, pathetic generation allowed it.


Not really "my generation," but answer my question.

Show me the evidence of U.S. forces in France who killed 2000 French citizens execution style after someone attacked some checkpoints. We are allowed to have our own opinions, but you seem to want your own facts.

You know we don't do that kind of thing. We have allies in places like Syria who do it for us.
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Sam Lowry said:

D. C. Bear said:

The_barBEARian said:

D. C. Bear said:

The_barBEARian said:

ATL Bear said:

The_barBEARian said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

The_barBEARian said:

ATL Bear said:

boognish_bear said:



Or walk away and just let them do their thing and stay out of it. We could have left Iran decimated two+ months ago with no other action or negotiation required and let them sort it out. Crazy idea I know, but we're being extorted for a bad deal that has us no closer on anything we had prior to taking action, and now are indelibly intertwined with the Hezbollah/Israel situation.


If Trump said we are washing our hands of Israel and they are on their own, they'd be completely screwed...

The idea we are holding Israel back from single handedly crushing the entire middle east is laughably stupid.

While we get angry about the brutality of the idea of flattening Southern Lebanon, if missiles were coming out of Juarez or Tijuana and hitting El Paso or San Diego, what do you think we'd do to those populated areas?

It would largely depend on whether we were precisely targeting a terrorist threat or depopulating the areas in advance of long-term occupation.

Why do you ask?

Why does precisely matter? If you must hold ground against an enemy to stop their attacks, you have to occupy.

Assuming you must, you can take ground without flattening populated areas. Israel is barely even pretending to do so. They're openly comparing it to Gaza in the sense that no holds are barred (which is a cute admission about Gaza after the fact).

Not when the enemy uses homes, basements, farm storage units, buildings, and tunnel systems linking the aforementioned to hide and move combatants and munitions for their attacks. They also use it to exploit political and legal law fare because of the human cost created by their tactics. They are very effective at that as your continued "genocide" speak displays.

That's what DC referred to as "urban warfare." You'll notice there's not much of it going on. It's relatively rare to see the IDF shooting at anything that's shooting back. Painful to see them in action, too. No muzzle awareness, no assigned fields of view, just disorganized grab-assery. There's no telling what could be done with a professional army.

Israel is recognized as one of the most effective asymmetrical warfare and counter-insurgency militaries in the world. Probably better than us.

They're a clown show. Can't control an area the size of Detroit after three years. They blow up civilians because it's pretty much all they're good at.


The Israelis civilian death rate is so bad Trump says the ISIS guy from Syria would do a better job!



Sure, unleash this group on Lebanon… You and Sam would just love these guys. They slaughtered 2000 Alawites execution style after someone attacked some checkpoints. There's some brutal asymmetric warfare for you.


This is what you Boomers did to France. France has been under the American Empire since WW2. American Boomers could have prevented this at anytime...




Show me the evidence of U.S. forces in France who killed 2000 French citizens execution style after someone attacked some checkpoints. I'll wait.


How many Serbs did American armed forces kill in the 90ties to the benefit of the invading Jihadis?... that was the last gasp of European nationalism and your weak, pathetic generation allowed it.


Not really "my generation," but answer my question.

Show me the evidence of U.S. forces in France who killed 2000 French citizens execution style after someone attacked some checkpoints. We are allowed to have our own opinions, but you seem to want your own facts.

You know we don't do that kind of thing. We have allies in places like Syria who do it for us.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Why are we negotiating a war we have won 27 times?




Senate Passes Measure Directing Trump to End Hostilities With Iran
Rebuke comes a week after the president signed framework with Tehran
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Osodecentx said:

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Why are we negotiating a war we have won 27 times?




Senate Passes Measure Directing Trump to End Hostilities With Iran
Rebuke comes a week after the president signed framework with Tehran


Congress needs to work now if they want to assert authority for the next time a president wants to go to the point of war over reaction to threat. If they punt it again, they have no more power to complain they are being bypassed.
This needs to be better ironed out for the good of the country long term.
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Realitybites said:

ATL Bear said:

Israel is recognized as one of the most effective asymmetrical warfare and counter-insurgency militaries in the world. Probably better than us.


Heck no. This is our guys cleaning out Fallujah, house to house.

https://media.gettyimages.com/id/51770300/photo/u-s-marines-sweep-fallujah-for-insurgents.webp?s=612x612&w=gi&k=20&c=qxj1qb73lcGJny1zALQioahdSSnRFlXr8eXMzuyAgCA=

The IDF and its genocidal tactics can go to hell.
Genocidal tactics…Good grief…

I hate to tell you, the U.S. was accused of genocidal tactics in Fallujah. Those critics were just as insanely wrong as you are.
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Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

The_barBEARian said:

ATL Bear said:

boognish_bear said:



Or walk away and just let them do their thing and stay out of it. We could have left Iran decimated two+ months ago with no other action or negotiation required and let them sort it out. Crazy idea I know, but we're being extorted for a bad deal that has us no closer on anything we had prior to taking action, and now are indelibly intertwined with the Hezbollah/Israel situation.


If Trump said we are washing our hands of Israel and they are on their own, they'd be completely screwed...

The idea we are holding Israel back from single handedly crushing the entire middle east is laughably stupid.

While we get angry about the brutality of the idea of flattening Southern Lebanon, if missiles were coming out of Juarez or Tijuana and hitting El Paso or San Diego, what do you think we'd do to those populated areas?

It would largely depend on whether we were precisely targeting a terrorist threat or depopulating the areas in advance of long-term occupation.

Why do you ask?

Why does precisely matter? If you must hold ground against an enemy to stop their attacks, you have to occupy.

Assuming you must, you can take ground without flattening populated areas. Israel is barely even pretending to do so. They're openly comparing it to Gaza in the sense that no holds are barred (which is a cute admission about Gaza after the fact).

Not when the enemy uses homes, basements, farm storage units, buildings, and tunnel systems linking the aforementioned to hide and move combatants and munitions for their attacks. They also use it to exploit political and legal law fare because of the human cost created by their tactics. They are very effective at that as your continued "genocide" speak displays.

That's what DC referred to as "urban warfare." You'll notice there's not much of it going on. It's relatively rare to see the IDF shooting at anything that's shooting back. Painful to see them in action, too. No muzzle awareness, no assigned fields of view, just disorganized grab-assery. There's no telling what could be done with a professional army.

Israel is recognized as one of the most effective asymmetrical warfare and counter-insurgency militaries in the world. Probably better than us.

They're a clown show. Can't control an area the size of Detroit after almost three years. They blow up civilians because it's pretty much all they're good at.
Realitybites brought up Fallujah. We didn't have full control for several years, at least until the tribal leaders decided that AQI needed to be gone.

Fallujah is a smaller area than Belton, Texas, with about 15% the population of Gaza. The reason it is so difficult is the efforts to limit human casualty.
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ATL Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

The_barBEARian said:

ATL Bear said:

boognish_bear said:



Or walk away and just let them do their thing and stay out of it. We could have left Iran decimated two+ months ago with no other action or negotiation required and let them sort it out. Crazy idea I know, but we're being extorted for a bad deal that has us no closer on anything we had prior to taking action, and now are indelibly intertwined with the Hezbollah/Israel situation.


If Trump said we are washing our hands of Israel and they are on their own, they'd be completely screwed...

The idea we are holding Israel back from single handedly crushing the entire middle east is laughably stupid.

While we get angry about the brutality of the idea of flattening Southern Lebanon, if missiles were coming out of Juarez or Tijuana and hitting El Paso or San Diego, what do you think we'd do to those populated areas?

It would largely depend on whether we were precisely targeting a terrorist threat or depopulating the areas in advance of long-term occupation.

Why do you ask?

Why does precisely matter? If you must hold ground against an enemy to stop their attacks, you have to occupy.

Assuming you must, you can take ground without flattening populated areas. Israel is barely even pretending to do so. They're openly comparing it to Gaza in the sense that no holds are barred (which is a cute admission about Gaza after the fact).

Not when the enemy uses homes, basements, farm storage units, buildings, and tunnel systems linking the aforementioned to hide and move combatants and munitions for their attacks. They also use it to exploit political and legal law fare because of the human cost created by their tactics. They are very effective at that as your continued "genocide" speak displays.

That's what DC referred to as "urban warfare." You'll notice there's not much of it going on. It's relatively rare to see the IDF shooting at anything that's shooting back. Painful to see them in action, too. No muzzle awareness, no assigned fields of view, just disorganized grab-assery. There's no telling what could be done with a professional army.

Israel is recognized as one of the most effective asymmetrical warfare and counter-insurgency militaries in the world. Probably better than us.

They're a clown show. Can't control an area the size of Detroit after almost three years. They blow up civilians because it's pretty much all they're good at.

Realitybites brought up Fallujah. We didn't have full control for several years, at least until the tribal leaders decided that AQI needed to be gone.

Fallujah is a smaller area than Belton, Texas, with about 15% the population of Gaza. The reason it is so difficult is the efforts to limit human casualty.

Which the IDF is not doing in the least. Their attitude to civilian casualties has ranged from blank indifference to the grotesque celebrations that finally got them ordered to stay off social media.
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ATL Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Or walk away and just let them do their thing and stay out of it. We could have left Iran decimated two+ months ago with no other action or negotiation required and let them sort it out. Crazy idea I know, but we're being extorted for a bad deal that has us no closer on anything we had prior to taking action, and now are indelibly intertwined with the Hezbollah/Israel situation.


If Trump said we are washing our hands of Israel and they are on their own, they'd be completely screwed...

The idea we are holding Israel back from single handedly crushing the entire middle east is laughably stupid.

While we get angry about the brutality of the idea of flattening Southern Lebanon, if missiles were coming out of Juarez or Tijuana and hitting El Paso or San Diego, what do you think we'd do to those populated areas?

It would largely depend on whether we were precisely targeting a terrorist threat or depopulating the areas in advance of long-term occupation.

Why do you ask?

Why does precisely matter? If you must hold ground against an enemy to stop their attacks, you have to occupy.

Assuming you must, you can take ground without flattening populated areas. Israel is barely even pretending to do so. They're openly comparing it to Gaza in the sense that no holds are barred (which is a cute admission about Gaza after the fact).

Not when the enemy uses homes, basements, farm storage units, buildings, and tunnel systems linking the aforementioned to hide and move combatants and munitions for their attacks. They also use it to exploit political and legal law fare because of the human cost created by their tactics. They are very effective at that as your continued "genocide" speak displays.

That's what DC referred to as "urban warfare." You'll notice there's not much of it going on. It's relatively rare to see the IDF shooting at anything that's shooting back. Painful to see them in action, too. No muzzle awareness, no assigned fields of view, just disorganized grab-assery. There's no telling what could be done with a professional army.

Israel is recognized as one of the most effective asymmetrical warfare and counter-insurgency militaries in the world. Probably better than us.

They're a clown show. Can't control an area the size of Detroit after almost three years. They blow up civilians because it's pretty much all they're good at.
Realitybites brought up Fallujah. We didn't have full control for several years, at least until the tribal leaders decided that AQI needed to be gone.

Fallujah is a smaller area than Belton, Texas, with about 15% the population of Gaza. The reason it is so difficult is the efforts to limit human casualty.


Nothing is tougher then urban warfare, especially if you are only trying to get the bad guys.
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That is completely false. The IDF went to extraordinary lengths trying to avoid civilian casualties. The barbaric terrorists made it very difficult by using human shields and exploiting the western media's sympathies for propaganda purposes. Too many on the Left, in and out of the media, are willing to blindly swallow the lies because they are foolish and antisemitic. Some people prefer to blame everything on the Jews because scapegoating is lazy and easy. It is also evil.
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GOD BLESS PRESIDENT TRUMP

KEEP LEFT LUNATICS LIKE HUMCK OUT OF OFFICE
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Was the war against Iran worth it!?

The Pentagon said Iran War costs $29 billion,but the real cost is closer to $200 billionand counting

https://l.smartnews.com/p-7YIpfpPa/DiYyyQ
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Or walk away and just let them do their thing and stay out of it. We could have left Iran decimated two+ months ago with no other action or negotiation required and let them sort it out. Crazy idea I know, but we're being extorted for a bad deal that has us no closer on anything we had prior to taking action, and now are indelibly intertwined with the Hezbollah/Israel situation.


If Trump said we are washing our hands of Israel and they are on their own, they'd be completely screwed...

The idea we are holding Israel back from single handedly crushing the entire middle east is laughably stupid.

While we get angry about the brutality of the idea of flattening Southern Lebanon, if missiles were coming out of Juarez or Tijuana and hitting El Paso or San Diego, what do you think we'd do to those populated areas?

It would largely depend on whether we were precisely targeting a terrorist threat or depopulating the areas in advance of long-term occupation.

Why do you ask?

Why does precisely matter? If you must hold ground against an enemy to stop their attacks, you have to occupy.

Assuming you must, you can take ground without flattening populated areas. Israel is barely even pretending to do so. They're openly comparing it to Gaza in the sense that no holds are barred (which is a cute admission about Gaza after the fact).

Not when the enemy uses homes, basements, farm storage units, buildings, and tunnel systems linking the aforementioned to hide and move combatants and munitions for their attacks. They also use it to exploit political and legal law fare because of the human cost created by their tactics. They are very effective at that as your continued "genocide" speak displays.

That's what DC referred to as "urban warfare." You'll notice there's not much of it going on. It's relatively rare to see the IDF shooting at anything that's shooting back. Painful to see them in action, too. No muzzle awareness, no assigned fields of view, just disorganized grab-assery. There's no telling what could be done with a professional army.

Israel is recognized as one of the most effective asymmetrical warfare and counter-insurgency militaries in the world. Probably better than us.

They're a clown show. Can't control an area the size of Detroit after almost three years. They blow up civilians because it's pretty much all they're good at.
Realitybites brought up Fallujah. We didn't have full control for several years, at least until the tribal leaders decided that AQI needed to be gone.

Fallujah is a smaller area than Belton, Texas, with about 15% the population of Gaza. The reason it is so difficult is the efforts to limit human casualty.


Nothing is tougher then urban warfare, especially if you are only trying to get the bad guys.


You know who used to be good at it was the Brits. All the fighting in Belfast trained then up good.
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historian said:

That is completely false. The IDF went to extraordinary lengths trying to avoid civilian casualties. The barbaric terrorists made it very difficult by using human shields and exploiting the western media's sympathies for propaganda purposes. Too many on the Left, in and out of the media, are willing to blindly swallow the lies because they are foolish and antisemitic. Some people prefer to blame everything on the Jews because scapegoating is lazy and easy. It is also evil.

Please educate yourself before spreading propaganda or calling names. The UN report quoted above is a good place to start.
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historian said:

That is completely false. The IDF went to extraordinary lengths trying to avoid civilian casualties. The barbaric terrorists made it very difficult by using human shields and exploiting the western media's sympathies for propaganda purposes. Too many on the Left, in and out of the media, are willing to blindly swallow the lies because they are foolish and antisemitic. Some people prefer to blame everything on the Jews because scapegoating is lazy and easy. It is also evil.

As Hamas Harry how the population of "Palestine" increases during his so-called genocide ... he'll ignore you.

Just like in ronas, he ignores data in favor of whatever political "T'EXPERT" tells him really is true.
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Brits would draw out the Irish with an 'abandoned' pint of Guinness on a tree stump ..........

- el UF

..... Irish would counter with some toothpaste on a park bench - Brits couldn't withstand their curiosity.

D!

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Sam Lowry said:

historian said:

That is completely false. The IDF went to extraordinary lengths trying to avoid civilian casualties. The barbaric terrorists made it very difficult by using human shields and exploiting the western media's sympathies for propaganda purposes. Too many on the Left, in and out of the media, are willing to blindly swallow the lies because they are foolish and antisemitic. Some people prefer to blame everything on the Jews because scapegoating is lazy and easy. It is also evil.

Please educate yourself before spreading propaganda or calling names. The UN report quoted above is a good place to start.

The UN is highly unreliable. Some of its members participated in October 7 and they gave a long history of corruption and scandals. Educate yourself before spreading more propaganda.
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historian said:

Sam Lowry said:

historian said:

That is completely false. The IDF went to extraordinary lengths trying to avoid civilian casualties. The barbaric terrorists made it very difficult by using human shields and exploiting the western media's sympathies for propaganda purposes. Too many on the Left, in and out of the media, are willing to blindly swallow the lies because they are foolish and antisemitic. Some people prefer to blame everything on the Jews because scapegoating is lazy and easy. It is also evil.

Please educate yourself before spreading propaganda or calling names. The UN report quoted above is a good place to start.

The UN is highly unreliable. Some of its members participated in October 7 and they gave a long history of corruption and scandals. Educate yourself before spreading more propaganda.

A predictable response, but it doesn't change the well documented fact of Israeli war crimes in Gaza.
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You mean, well documented propaganda. You should not believe everything you see on CNN or other fascist propaganda sources, many who blindly repeat all the idiotic lies of Hamas. Much of it is blatant and obvious lies.
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Great news...they are agreeing to everything again

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boognish_bear said:

Great news...they are agreeing to everything again



I'm tired of winning this war!!
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boognish_bear said:

Great news...they are agreeing to everything again





Everything i want.

Sorry, cant get behind him. It is not what is best for the US, it is what he wants. Despicable
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The Iranian Revolutionary Guard appreciates your support, I'm sure.
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You mean, well documented propaganda. You should not believe everything you see on CNN or other fascist propaganda sources, many who blindly repeat all the idiotic lies of Hamas. Much of it is blatant and obvious lies.

The same independent commission published the first detailed report on Palestinian war crimes committed on October 7. Its report on Gaza was based on over 16,000 pieces of verified evidence. Just to be clear, you're rejecting it in its entirety because a handful of UN aid workers were accused of cooperating with Hamas and got fired for it? Do you have any other evidence that it's "highly unreliable?" Have you even read it?
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Somali Sam back in action, I see.


The UN has not had credibility since the Korean War. Kind of late to pretend otherwise.
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Oldbear83 said:

Somali Sam back in action, I see.


The UN has not had credibility since the Korean War. Kind of late to pretend otherwise.

oh, you mean 9-11. Only time Article 5 invoked. NATO came to our aid to a country. They lost hundreds of soldiers. Denmark lost more per capita than anyone including us. You statement is dumb. Do. you not pay attention or just biatch?
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Oldbear83 said:

The Iranian Revolutionary Guard appreciates your support, I'm sure.


Yeah, that is the point. (Sarc) You just get your MAGA Donald hormone shot? You have no issues with the negotiations being based on what Donald "wants"? Not the US, but him.
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Hey kids, look it's Mister Bitter again posting under the tag 'JR', here to pretend he knows what's going on.

Poor Mister Bitter confused the UN for NATO in his post, and even though 9/11 was more than two decades ago he still found a way to rant about Trump.

Pooooooooooooor Mister Bitter!

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Poor FLBear's turban is tied a mite too tight again. Imagines the Iranian mullahs are Americans!
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