You can like or not like the "truth" of collective guilt, but you can't have it both ways.

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Why do none of the liberal lunatics care about the genocide we know as abortion?

1.1 mil aborted babies in 2025...

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oh Gawd, Twink. You are one of those! yuck.

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You can like or not like the "truth" of collective guilt, but you can't have it both ways.

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In a fight to the death, guilt never enters the equation.

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Why do none of the liberal lunatics care about the genocide we know as abortion?

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oh Gawd, Twink. You are one of those! yuck.

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How lucky you are, JR, that your mother did not share that sentiment.

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I'm sure many of the perpetrators of 10/7 would agree.

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Can we just quit giving Americans’ hard earned money to this blood thirsty war criminal? Peace in the Middle East would follow quickly. https://t.co/nAreZrYx8b

— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) June 19, 2026

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Or walk away and just let them do their thing and stay out of it. We could have left Iran decimated two+ months ago with no other action or negotiation required and let them sort it out. Crazy idea I know, but we're being extorted for a bad deal that has us no closer on anything we had prior to taking action, and now are indelibly intertwined with the Hezbollah/Israel situation.

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If Trump said we are washing our hands of Israel and they are on their own, they'd be completely screwed...

The idea we are holding Israel back from single handedly crushing the entire middle east is laughably stupid.

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While we get angry about the brutality of the idea of flattening Southern Lebanon, if missiles were coming out of Juarez or Tijuana and hitting El Paso or San Diego, what do you think we'd do to those populated areas?

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It would largely depend on whether we were precisely targeting a terrorist threat or depopulating the areas in advance of long-term occupation.

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Why does precisely matter? If you must hold ground against an enemy to stop their attacks, you have to occupy.

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Assuming you must, you can take ground without flattening populated areas. Israel is barely even pretending to do so. They're openly comparing it to Gaza in the sense that no holds are barred (which is a cute admission about Gaza after the fact).

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Not when the enemy uses homes, basements, farm storage units, buildings, and tunnel systems linking the aforementioned to hide and move combatants and munitions for their attacks. They also use it to exploit political and legal law fare because of the human cost created by their tactics. They are very effective at that as your continued "genocide" speak displays.

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That's what DC referred to as "urban warfare." You'll notice there's not much of it going on. It's relatively rare to see the IDF shooting at anything that's shooting back. Painful to see them in action, too. No muzzle awareness, no assigned fields of view, just disorganized grab-assery. There's no telling what could be done with a professional army.

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Israel is recognized as one of the most effective asymmetrical warfare and counter-insurgency militaries in the world. Probably better than us.

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They're a clown show. Can't control an area the size of Detroit after almost three years. They blow up civilians because it's pretty much all they're good at.

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Realitybites brought up Fallujah. We didn't have full control for several years, at least until the tribal leaders decided that AQI needed to be gone.

Fallujah is a smaller area than Belton, Texas, with about 15% the population of Gaza. The reason it is so difficult is the efforts to limit human casualty.

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Which the IDF is not doing in the least. Their attitude to civilian casualties has ranged from blank indifference to the grotesque celebrations that finally got them ordered to stay off social media.

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By that same standard of application, every Gazan has raped and massacred Jews.

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Not at all. No one is saying that every Israeli has raped and massacred Palestinians. But there is abundant evidence that Israeli war crimes are committed as a matter of policy, not as isolated acts.

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Because some bad acts by individuals or units? Again, if you're making broad brush applications like that, my assertion fits then.

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Accusing a government or military of systematic war crimes isn't broad-brushing. It's not accusing every citizen. That would be like saying every Palestinian man, woman, and child is a terrorist. Some people do believe that, but it's illogical and wrong.

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For Hamas, the citizens are the military and the government by extension. Or at least the large percentage that support them.

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Now that's broad-brushing.

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I have sympathy for Gazans as many are forced into service either through coercion or the Dahwah network. But if your home is a tunnel entry or underground munitions cache, you are a legitimate military target. So when the apartment complex is droned and a family is blown to bits, you accuse the Israelis of war crimes whilst the real cruelty and crime was performed well before any missiles were fired.

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That's the terrorist strategy: use human shields and blame the other side for attacking legitimate targets. That's one reason our Leftists love them so much: it's not just that they hate the same people (Jews, Christian's, America, etc) and they use the same tactics including projection, deception, manipulation, etc.

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You still haven't read the commission's report, have you?

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Why do none of the liberal lunatics care about the genocide we know as abortion?

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oh Gawd, Twink. You are one of those! yuck.

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How lucky you are, JR, that your mother did not share that sentiment.

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give me a break you sanctimonious , judgmental Christ like little fella. I have an adopted daughter, so you can STFU. I think I may know a little more than you do about your narrowness in most everything. sad, but you are certainly a "Character of Yourself". You funny and angry. Therapy is your friend,

"Therapy is your friend'" from the always-angry, always-vulgar, always-arrogant undeniable punk of the room no matter who else is there. JR always gonna JR.

You poor, sad, pathetic little man.

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"Therapy is your friend'" from the always-angry, always-vulgar, always-arrogant undeniable punk of the room no matter who else is there. JR always gonna JR.

You poor, sad, pathetic little man.

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Angy , pathetic , Trump/Fox News acolyte! That make you clearly a non critical thinker Don't believe the hype , Bitter Old fella. Trump loves you and died for your many sins!

Trump to Farmers: We have a new market coming up, and that's called The Lovely Country of Iran. It's a beautiful place. Would anybody like to go there? They're having a hard time with food and we're going to be taking some of their money and we'll spend it and we're going to be… pic.twitter.com/k2IUXVDZsD

— Acyn (@Acyn) June 25, 2026

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You can like or not like the "truth" of collective guilt, but you can't have it both ways.

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I'm sure many of the perpetrators of 10/7 would agree.

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As would most Gazans.

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You can like or not like the "truth" of collective guilt, but you can't have it both ways.

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In a fight to the death, guilt never enters the equation.

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I'm sure many of the perpetrators of 10/7 would agree.

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As would most Gazans.

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That I doubt. If anyone is cognizant of the law and its violation, it's the Gazans.

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You can like or not like the "truth" of collective guilt, but you can't have it both ways.

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In a fight to the death, guilt never enters the equation.

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I'm sure many of the perpetrators of 10/7 would agree.

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As would most Gazans.

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That I doubt. If anyone is cognizant of the law and its violation, it's the Gazans.

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If that were the case, they'd have punted Hamas some time ago.

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You can like or not like the "truth" of collective guilt, but you can't have it both ways.

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In a fight to the death, guilt never enters the equation.

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I'm sure many of the perpetrators of 10/7 would agree.

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As would most Gazans.

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That I doubt. If anyone is cognizant of the law and its violation, it's the Gazans.

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If that were the case, they'd have punted Hamas some time ago.

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Hard to do with Bibi propping them up...but they are unpopular for sure.

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You can like or not like the "truth" of collective guilt, but you can't have it both ways.

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In a fight to the death, guilt never enters the equation.

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I'm sure many of the perpetrators of 10/7 would agree.

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As would most Gazans.

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That I doubt. If anyone is cognizant of the law and its violation, it's the Gazans.

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If that were the case, they'd have punted Hamas some time ago.

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Hard to do with Bibi propping them up...but they are unpopular for sure.

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The last time there was a vote, Hamas won. Hard to tell how "unpopular" they are or are not when Hamas has a tendency to murder those who don't like them.

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"Therapy is your friend'" from the always-angry, always-vulgar, always-arrogant undeniable punk of the room no matter who else is there. JR always gonna JR.

You poor, sad, pathetic little man.

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Angy , pathetic , Trump/Fox News acolyte! That make you clearly a non critical thinker Don't believe the hype , Bitter Old fella. Trump loves you and died for your many sins!

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Needs saying again, I see:

You poor, sad, pathetic little man.

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In a fight to the death, guilt never enters the equation.

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I'm sure many of the perpetrators of 10/7 would agree.

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As would most Gazans.

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That I doubt. If anyone is cognizant of the law and its violation, it's the Gazans.

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If that were the case, they'd have punted Hamas some time ago.

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Hard to do with Bibi propping them up...but they are unpopular for sure.

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The last time there was a vote, Hamas won. Hard to tell how "unpopular" they are or are not when Hamas has a tendency to murder those who don't like them.

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Good point. That's another reason not to punish Gazans as a group.

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In a fight to the death, guilt never enters the equation.

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I'm sure many of the perpetrators of 10/7 would agree.

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As would most Gazans.

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That I doubt. If anyone is cognizant of the law and its violation, it's the Gazans.

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If that were the case, they'd have punted Hamas some time ago.

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Hard to do with Bibi propping them up...but they are unpopular for sure.

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The last time there was a vote, Hamas won. Hard to tell how "unpopular" they are or are not when Hamas has a tendency to murder those who don't like them.

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Good point. That's another reason not to punish Gazans as a group.

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Glad you don't consider yourself a military expert.
After sending your troops to their death in a tunnel for the umpteenth time, you would definitely be singing a different song. Tunnel warfare with munitions, traps, gas, and defensive turns and twists has never been attacked by direct assault successfully. Entrances and exits inside buildings makes it even more dangerous. Hamas is counting on people like yourself to believe they didn't set up their people for destruction and death. For your viewpoint the only option the IDF had was to give up after one sided losses.

If Israel wanted to kill as many Gazans as possible, this back and forth would not be happening. It would have been an exponentially bigger bloodbath and there would be no back and forth like this. It really isn't hard to see except by those who chose deliberately to not see it. War is hell. Urban war is hell on steroids. It's remarkable the death toll was no more than it was.

Friday PM, markets closed, war's back on.

" US Central Command said that American aircraft on Friday hit Iranian missile and drone storage sites as well as coastal radar installations, calling it a "powerful response to yesterday's attack."

U.S. aircraft struck Iranian missile and drone storage locations and coastal radar sites after Iran hit M/V Ever Lovely on June 25 with a one-way attack drone. The Singapore-flagged cargo ship was exiting the Strait of Hormuz along the Omani coast at the time of Iran's attack."

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You can like or not like the "truth" of collective guilt, but you can't have it both ways.

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In a fight to the death, guilt never enters the equation.

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I'm sure many of the perpetrators of 10/7 would agree.

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As would most Gazans.

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That I doubt. If anyone is cognizant of the law and its violation, it's the Gazans.

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If that were the case, they'd have punted Hamas some time ago.

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Hard to do with Bibi propping them up...but they are unpopular for sure.

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The last time there was a vote, Hamas won. Hard to tell how "unpopular" they are or are not when Hamas has a tendency to murder those who don't like them.

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Good point. That's another reason not to punish Gazans as a group.

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Glad you don't consider yourself a military expert.
After sending your troops to their death in a tunnel for the umpteenth time, you would definitely be singing a different song. Tunnel warfare with munitions, traps, gas, and defensive turns and twists has never been attacked by direct assault successfully. Entrances and exits inside buildings makes it even more dangerous. Hamas is counting on people like yourself to believe they didn't set up their people for destruction and death. For your viewpoint the only option the IDF had was to give up after one sided losses.

If Israel wanted to kill as many Gazans as possible, this back and forth would not be happening. It would have been an exponentially bigger bloodbath and there would be no back and forth like this. It really isn't hard to see except by those who chose deliberately to not see it. War is hell. Urban war is hell on steroids. It's remarkable the death toll was no more than it was.

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It has been done with limited success. I don't think it would work in Gaza, but if they were trying to root out Hamas fighters in the way they claim, that's what it would involve.

We're all familiar with the argument that Israel could have killed more people faster. It's just one more attempt to redefine your way around the issue. Genocide doesn't depend on speed. There are political and other considerations involved. What we do know, contrary to your narrative, is that the civilian casualty rate has been astronomically high compared to other wars. It's deliberate self-deception to imagine that was an accident.

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You can like or not like the "truth" of collective guilt, but you can't have it both ways.

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In a fight to the death, guilt never enters the equation.

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I'm sure many of the perpetrators of 10/7 would agree.

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As would most Gazans.

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That I doubt. If anyone is cognizant of the law and its violation, it's the Gazans.

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If that were the case, they'd have punted Hamas some time ago.

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Hard to do with Bibi propping them up...but they are unpopular for sure.

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The last time there was a vote, Hamas won. Hard to tell how "unpopular" they are or are not when Hamas has a tendency to murder those who don't like them.

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Good point. That's another reason not to punish Gazans as a group.

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Glad you don't consider yourself a military expert.
After sending your troops to their death in a tunnel for the umpteenth time, you would definitely be singing a different song. Tunnel warfare with munitions, traps, gas, and defensive turns and twists has never been attacked by direct assault successfully. Entrances and exits inside buildings makes it even more dangerous. Hamas is counting on people like yourself to believe they didn't set up their people for destruction and death. For your viewpoint the only option the IDF had was to give up after one sided losses.

If Israel wanted to kill as many Gazans as possible, this back and forth would not be happening. It would have been an exponentially bigger bloodbath and there would be no back and forth like this. It really isn't hard to see except by those who chose deliberately to not see it. War is hell. Urban war is hell on steroids. It's remarkable the death toll was no more than it was.

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It has been done with limited success. I don't think it would work in Gaza, but if they were trying to root out Hamas fighters in the way they claim, that's what it would involve.

We're all familiar with the argument that Israel could have killed more people faster. It's just one more attempt to redefine your way around the issue. Genocide doesn't depend on speed. There are political and other considerations involved. What we do know, contrary to your narrative, is that the civilian casualty rate has been astronomically high compared to other wars. It's deliberate self-deception to imagine that was an accident.

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1. If there is a genocide why has the Palestinian population increased?
2. You never learn - just like in ronas, you take the world of partisan T'EXPERTS to fit your narrative and ignore real data
3. Your hatred of Jews shows daily - there is no genocide not matter how much you try to pretend their is.

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You can like or not like the "truth" of collective guilt, but you can't have it both ways.

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In a fight to the death, guilt never enters the equation.

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I'm sure many of the perpetrators of 10/7 would agree.

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As would most Gazans.

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That I doubt. If anyone is cognizant of the law and its violation, it's the Gazans.

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If that were the case, they'd have punted Hamas some time ago.

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Hard to do with Bibi propping them up...but they are unpopular for sure.

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The last time there was a vote, Hamas won. Hard to tell how "unpopular" they are or are not when Hamas has a tendency to murder those who don't like them.

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Good point. That's another reason not to punish Gazans as a group.

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Glad you don't consider yourself a military expert.
After sending your troops to their death in a tunnel for the umpteenth time, you would definitely be singing a different song. Tunnel warfare with munitions, traps, gas, and defensive turns and twists has never been attacked by direct assault successfully. Entrances and exits inside buildings makes it even more dangerous. Hamas is counting on people like yourself to believe they didn't set up their people for destruction and death. For your viewpoint the only option the IDF had was to give up after one sided losses.

If Israel wanted to kill as many Gazans as possible, this back and forth would not be happening. It would have been an exponentially bigger bloodbath and there would be no back and forth like this. It really isn't hard to see except by those who chose deliberately to not see it. War is hell. Urban war is hell on steroids. It's remarkable the death toll was no more than it was.

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It has been done with limited success. I don't think it would work in Gaza, but if they were trying to root out Hamas fighters in the way they claim, that's what it would involve.

We're all familiar with the argument that Israel could have killed more people faster. It's just one more attempt to redefine your way around the issue. Genocide doesn't depend on speed. There are political and other considerations involved. What we do know, contrary to your narrative, is that the civilian casualty rate has been astronomically high compared to other wars. It's deliberate self-deception to imagine that was an accident.

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When Hamas uses strategies specifically designed to increase civilian casualties, there will be higher civilian casualties. One could argue that Israel should not have responded to Hamas attacks. Perhaps you would like to make that case.

In the absences of that, things like Hamas preventing civilians from evacuating, booby trapping homes with explosives, building tunnels under hospitals and homes, and storing weapons in hospitals, schools and mosques mean that this is a different kind of military environment. It is amazing to me how some of you want to blame the IDF for fighting circumstances that have been dictated by Hamas. Hamas benefits from dead civilians, and, while there are plenty of dead civilians, they also tend to classify some deaths of their fighters as civilian deaths.

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Gaza is not by any stretch the first place where civilians and combatants have mingled. In no way does that justify the intentional targeting of civilians, which has been documented again and again. If you don't like the 2015 UN report, see the 2009 report, among many others.

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"The Goldstone Report found that much of the devastation Israel inflicted during Cast Lead was premeditated. It also found that the operation was anchored in a military doctrine that 'views disproportionate destruction and creating maximum disruption in the lives of many people as a legitimate means to achieve military and political goals,' and that it was 'designed to have inevitably dire consequences for the non-combatants in Gaza'."

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Let me guess nothing from Sam Lousery aka Hamas Harry

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You can like or not like the "truth" of collective guilt, but you can't have it both ways.

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In a fight to the death, guilt never enters the equation.

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I'm sure many of the perpetrators of 10/7 would agree.

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As would most Gazans.

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That I doubt. If anyone is cognizant of the law and its violation, it's the Gazans.

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If that were the case, they'd have punted Hamas some time ago.

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Hard to do with Bibi propping them up...but they are unpopular for sure.

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The last time there was a vote, Hamas won. Hard to tell how "unpopular" they are or are not when Hamas has a tendency to murder those who don't like them.

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Good point. That's another reason not to punish Gazans as a group.

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Glad you don't consider yourself a military expert.
After sending your troops to their death in a tunnel for the umpteenth time, you would definitely be singing a different song. Tunnel warfare with munitions, traps, gas, and defensive turns and twists has never been attacked by direct assault successfully. Entrances and exits inside buildings makes it even more dangerous. Hamas is counting on people like yourself to believe they didn't set up their people for destruction and death. For your viewpoint the only option the IDF had was to give up after one sided losses.

If Israel wanted to kill as many Gazans as possible, this back and forth would not be happening. It would have been an exponentially bigger bloodbath and there would be no back and forth like this. It really isn't hard to see except by those who chose deliberately to not see it. War is hell. Urban war is hell on steroids. It's remarkable the death toll was no more than it was.

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It has been done with limited success. I don't think it would work in Gaza, but if they were trying to root out Hamas fighters in the way they claim, that's what it would involve.

We're all familiar with the argument that Israel could have killed more people faster. It's just one more attempt to redefine your way around the issue. Genocide doesn't depend on speed. There are political and other considerations involved. What we do know, contrary to your narrative, is that the civilian casualty rate has been astronomically high compared to other wars. It's deliberate self-deception to imagine that was an accident.

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When Hamas uses strategies specifically designed to increase civilian casualties, there will be higher civilian casualties. One could argue that Israel should not have responded to Hamas attacks. Perhaps you would like to make that case.

In the absences of that, things like Hamas preventing civilians from evacuating, booby trapping homes with explosives, building tunnels under hospitals and homes, and storing weapons in hospitals, schools and mosques mean that this is a different kind of military environment. It is amazing to me how some of you want to blame the IDF for fighting circumstances that have been dictated by Hamas. Hamas benefits from dead civilians, and, while there are plenty of dead civilians, they also tend to classify some deaths of their fighters as civilian deaths.

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Gaza is not by any stretch the first place where civilians and combatants have mingled. In no way does that justify the intentional targeting of civilians, which has been documented again and again. If you don't like the 2015 UN report, see the 2009 report, among many others.

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"The Goldstone Report found that much of the devastation Israel inflicted during Cast Lead was premeditated. It also found that the operation was anchored in a military doctrine that 'views disproportionate destruction and creating maximum disruption in the lives of many people as a legitimate means to achieve military and political goals,' and that it was 'designed to have inevitably dire consequences for the non-combatants in Gaza'."

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War has "dire consequences," and "disproportionate destruction" is entirely appropriate in a war.

However, Goldstone himself, when he learned more, did not believe that the IDF targeted civilians in Gaza as a matter of policy and publicly said exactly that.

More to the point, you have densely populated area and an enemy that benefits from dead civilians. You have a group that prevents civilians from leaving when told to evacuate an area because they believe that either the IDF will be more limited in its response if they use civilians as human shields or that the dead civilians that result will benefit them politically. You have a group that carries out attacks with rockets that regularly malfunction and kill local civilians instead of the civilians in Israel they actually target for death.

No military executes operations perfectly, and war is always destructive, including to civilians in combat zones. However, the IDF is not an outlier.

I can promise you that we would not tolerate a bunch of missiles from Quebec dropping on our heads and we would not be primarily concerned with Canadian civilians as we targeted the source of those rockets to protect our own civilians.

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Why do none of the liberal lunatics care about the genocide we know as abortion?

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oh Gawd, Twink. You are one of those! yuck.

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How lucky you are, JR, that your mother did not share that sentiment.

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give me a break you sanctimonious , judgmental Christ like little fella. I have an adopted daughter, so you can STFU. I think I may know a little more than you do about your narrowness in most everything. sad, but you are certainly a "Character of Yourself". You funny and angry. Therapy is your friend,

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As a baby's skull is crushed and it's flesh torn limb from limb in the woman's vagina / womb and sucked out screaming in a vacuum, i am certain Jesus Christ supports your sanctimonious perspective and applauds what you support.

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Why do none of the liberal lunatics care about the genocide we know as abortion?

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oh Gawd, Twink. You are one of those! yuck.

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How lucky you are, JR, that your mother did not share that sentiment.

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give me a break you sanctimonious , judgmental Christ like little fella. I have an adopted daughter, so you can STFU. I think I may know a little more than you do about your narrowness in most everything. sad, but you are certainly a "Character of Yourself". You funny and angry. Therapy is your friend,

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As a baby's skull is crushed and it's flesh torn limb from limb in the woman's vagina / womb and sucked out screaming in a vacuum, i am certain Jesus Christ supports your sanctimonious perspective and applauds what you support.

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where did I say I supported abortion? I didn't you moron. Obviously, having and adopted child (1day old), I certainly don't support abortion of birth control. I'm ok with it where mother or baby is grave danger. I have NO time for ONE issue voters (on either side). Get your chit together before you acuse me of something I didn't say much less support. eff off.

JR: " where did I say I supported abortion?"

Your post at 9:04 PM on the 25th certainly implied it.

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JR: " where did I say I supported abortion?"

Your post at 9:04 PM on the 25th certainly implied it.

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again , it is your opinion that it was implied. Hey dumbass, that is your interpretation, NOT FACTS. That's right you have a big habit in dealing without fact, bitter fella. Stick to fact. Chit, a govt cheese recipient bean counter should at least deal in facts. Remember Debits on the Right, Credits on the left!

Iran signed a ceasefire agreement. We have honored it. If they have disagreements about how the MOU is being applied, they can pick up the phone.

But violence will be met with violence. https://t.co/VWnBS1PWaV

— JD Vance (@JDVance) June 26, 2026

BREAKING: The US Pentagon delayed publicly announcing US strikes on Iran until after the US stock market had closed at 4 PM ET on Friday, per NBC News.

The timing of the announcement was reportedly intended to "reduce the immediate impact on financial markets."

— The Kobeissi Letter (@KobeissiLetter) June 27, 2026

Poor JR, gets caught and throws a tantrum about it.

Of course, JR throws a tantrum just saying good morning, so ...

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You can like or not like the "truth" of collective guilt, but you can't have it both ways.

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In a fight to the death, guilt never enters the equation.

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I'm sure many of the perpetrators of 10/7 would agree.

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As would most Gazans.

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That I doubt. If anyone is cognizant of the law and its violation, it's the Gazans.

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If that were the case, they'd have punted Hamas some time ago.

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Hard to do with Bibi propping them up...but they are unpopular for sure.

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The last time there was a vote, Hamas won. Hard to tell how "unpopular" they are or are not when Hamas has a tendency to murder those who don't like them.

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Good point. That's another reason not to punish Gazans as a group.

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Glad you don't consider yourself a military expert.
After sending your troops to their death in a tunnel for the umpteenth time, you would definitely be singing a different song. Tunnel warfare with munitions, traps, gas, and defensive turns and twists has never been attacked by direct assault successfully. Entrances and exits inside buildings makes it even more dangerous. Hamas is counting on people like yourself to believe they didn't set up their people for destruction and death. For your viewpoint the only option the IDF had was to give up after one sided losses.

If Israel wanted to kill as many Gazans as possible, this back and forth would not be happening. It would have been an exponentially bigger bloodbath and there would be no back and forth like this. It really isn't hard to see except by those who chose deliberately to not see it. War is hell. Urban war is hell on steroids. It's remarkable the death toll was no more than it was.

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It has been done with limited success. I don't think it would work in Gaza, but if they were trying to root out Hamas fighters in the way they claim, that's what it would involve.

We're all familiar with the argument that Israel could have killed more people faster. It's just one more attempt to redefine your way around the issue. Genocide doesn't depend on speed. There are political and other considerations involved. What we do know, contrary to your narrative, is that the civilian casualty rate has been astronomically high compared to other wars. It's deliberate self-deception to imagine that was an accident.

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When Hamas uses strategies specifically designed to increase civilian casualties, there will be higher civilian casualties. One could argue that Israel should not have responded to Hamas attacks. Perhaps you would like to make that case.

In the absences of that, things like Hamas preventing civilians from evacuating, booby trapping homes with explosives, building tunnels under hospitals and homes, and storing weapons in hospitals, schools and mosques mean that this is a different kind of military environment. It is amazing to me how some of you want to blame the IDF for fighting circumstances that have been dictated by Hamas. Hamas benefits from dead civilians, and, while there are plenty of dead civilians, they also tend to classify some deaths of their fighters as civilian deaths.

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Gaza is not by any stretch the first place where civilians and combatants have mingled. In no way does that justify the intentional targeting of civilians, which has been documented again and again. If you don't like the 2015 UN report, see the 2009 report, among many others.

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"The Goldstone Report found that much of the devastation Israel inflicted during Cast Lead was premeditated. It also found that the operation was anchored in a military doctrine that 'views disproportionate destruction and creating maximum disruption in the lives of many people as a legitimate means to achieve military and political goals,' and that it was 'designed to have inevitably dire consequences for the non-combatants in Gaza'."

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War has "dire consequences," and "disproportionate destruction" is entirely appropriate in a war.

However, Goldstone himself, when he learned more, did not believe that the IDF targeted civilians in Gaza as a matter of policy and publicly said exactly that.

More to the point, you have densely populated area and an enemy that benefits from dead civilians. You have a group that prevents civilians from leaving when told to evacuate an area because they believe that either the IDF will be more limited in its response if they use civilians as human shields or that the dead civilians that result will benefit them politically. You have a group that carries out attacks with rockets that regularly malfunction and kill local civilians instead of the civilians in Israel they actually target for death.

No military executes operations perfectly, and war is always destructive, including to civilians in combat zones. However, the IDF is not an outlier.

I can promise you that we would not tolerate a bunch of missiles from Quebec dropping on our heads and we would not be primarily concerned with Canadian civilians as we targeted the source of those rockets to protect our own civilians.

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Goldstone himself was a minority of one. To deliberately inflict dire and disproportionate destruction on civilians is never appropriate. The IDF are not the only ones to operate in densely populated areas against enemies with clunky weapons who like to play up civilian casualties. What makes Israel an outlier is its brazenly genocidal rhetoric and corresponding actions.

{ sipping VICTORY }

- UF

Looks like we lobbed a few reminders anoche......

Remind the men in Pajamas who's boss......

D!

{ eating FREEDOM }